mozilla 1.4 is much faster than firebird!!!

synic · n00b Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 49 Location: SLC, Utah

I don't know why either. I have tried both of them in binary form and both of them compiled on this system, and mozilla is noticeably a lot faster in both cases for some reason.

Not only do they take about the same time to load, but the interface is a lot slower to respond in firebird.

The system is a Thinkpad 600x
500 mhz P3
256 RAM

I can't figure it out? Anyone have any ideas? This isn't just an annoying difference in speed - it's a _big_ difference in speed. firebird seems to "load" itself out sometimes... as in if I use it a lot, it starts to hog the CPU load and eventually is too slow to even be used.

Colibri · n00b Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 27

maybe you compiled firebird with gtk2 ;)
(well, i was using Phoenix Gtk on NetBSD, and it was like really lighter in feeling, and faster at rendering that my shiny Gtk2 phoenix on gentoo... maybe this can help...)

that's strange anyway, since many gtk2 apps do feel great (and nice!)
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synic · n00b Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 49 Location: SLC, Utah

I'm pretty sure I didn't... I and I am sure the binary wasn't...

aardvark · Guru Joined: 30 Jun 2002 Posts: 576

I have the same experience...

Seems to contradict all the euphoriuos reports in this forum about firebird.
Even my mozilla 1.3 is faster, but the fastest is the binary mozilla 1.4b :?:

joeyrutledge · n00b Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Posts: 15 Location: here

I have also had slow down problems using firebird. I have tried it on my P3 750Mhz workstation with 512mb of ram and mozilla is entirely faster than phoenix/firebird. I have firebird compiled from source with only java as a use variable. I noticed the problem simply by scrolling through pages while compiling gaim. Firebird is really laggy with scrolling and has the same startup time for me as mozilla. Only thing I can say that firebird has that I wish mozilla had is the ability to open all bookmarks located in one folder all at once in tabs.

I also tried the same tests on my 1.6ghz celeron laptop and mozilla is the god still. :-)

gentoo root # etcat uses mozilla-firebird
[ Colour Code : set unset ]
[ Legend : (U) Col 1 - Current USE flags ]
[ : (I) Col 2 - Installed With USE flags ]

U I [ Found these USE variables in : net-www/mozilla-firebird-0.6-r5 ]
+ - java : Adds support for Java
- - gtk2 : use gtk+-2.0.0 over gtk+-1.2 in cases where a program supports both. beware that gtk+-2 support can be bad.
- - ipv6 : Adds support for IP version 6

alwyn · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 140

BTW. What does it say when you do:

etcat size mozilla-firebird

?

Mine is 34Mb+, if this is common then maybe the strange size and what you guys are experiencing are linked..

joeyrutledge · n00b Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Posts: 15 Location: here

joey@gentoo joey $ etcat size mozilla-firebird
[ Results for search key : mozilla-firebird ]
[ Applications found : 3 ]

Only printing found installed programs.

* mozilla-firebird-0.6-r5
Total Files : 466
Total Size : 33260.69 KB

matroskin · Apprentice Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 214

it may be some gentoo specific problems. you can try firebird as is by taking tarball from its site. I have both mozilla and firebird (both as tarballs, not from portage) and my experience is that firebird is faster

joeyrutledge · n00b Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Posts: 15 Location: here

did you compile them or were they binaries?

ventricle · Guru Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Posts: 305 Location: UK/Australia

Is there an ebuild for mozilla 1.4?
I'm having all sorts of trouble trying to get any mozillafirebird build to compile, and the latest mozilla I have is 1.3
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joeyrutledge · n00b Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Posts: 15 Location: here

etcat size mozilla

* mozilla-1.3-r2
Total Files : 3756
Total Size : 61464.36 KB

BUT that is with everything with mozilla installed. chat, mail and composer so I am sure I could cut it down a little bit more.

Safrax · Guru Joined: 23 Apr 2002 Posts: 422

I've noticed that the firebird I compiled on my system will eat up 100% of the cpu while rendering. It's quite annoying. I havent tried a binary package but I will soon enough.

Anacific · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:12 am Post subject:

Very interesting. I may try new Mozilla after all.

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bsolar · Bodhisattva Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 2764

About Firebird if you are concerned about rendering speed have you tried to set initialpaint.delay to 0? Also enabling piplelining might be interesting.

You might want to check this page for some interesting tips.
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Konsti · l33t Joined: 10 Dec 2002 Posts: 691

Hell, I already thought I am crazy, but after reading this thread...
I installed mozilla-1.4 on a debian at work and it feld much more responsive than my mozilla-firebird-cvs. So my decision is easy, because mi fb doesn't remeber the preferences

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symbiote · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:50 pm Post subject:

gtk2//xft binary builds of firebird are indeed slower and heavier than the gtk1 version.

i tried compiling it from source with gtk2 support and the slowness is the same. it keeps on spiking 99% on page-loading. it's terrible.

sticking to the linux-gnu build for now. :/
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funkmankey · Guru Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 304 Location: CH

mozilla and firebird (were) not really the same thing... mozilla up to 1.4 (and even early 1.5 alphas I think) was based on seamonkey codebase.

only the latest mozilla 1.5 is from the same codebase as firebird. so it's not surprising that older mozilla could have a vastly different behavior.

much as I like gtk2 in most apps, I cannot stand it in firebird. so I can't say that I've ever had speed issues with firebird (except for that annoying dns resolution issue a few releases back...)
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